Comments on: The Million-Dollar Failure Of PCE http://www.utahbrian.com/2006/11/13/the-million-dollar-failure-of-pce/ Celebrating Utah, Family, Our Wildlands, And Civic Participation Mon, 06 Sep 2010 10:04:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.5 by: Brian’s Utah Weblog » Blog Archive » Seen In Utah, Neighbors http://www.utahbrian.com/2006/11/13/the-million-dollar-failure-of-pce/#comment-7578 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:08:06 +0000 http://www.utahbrian.com/2006/11/13/the-million-dollar-failure-of-pce/#comment-7578 [...] I saw this on my way through Salt Lake City today. The house on the right has two “I’m For 1″ signs supporting the pirates trying to raid our public schools. On the left there is a hand made banner declaring “Impeach Bush And Cheney.” The ‘ch’ from ‘impeach’ and the ‘Ch’ from ‘Cheney’ are artfully shared. [...] […] I saw this on my way through Salt Lake City today. The house on the right has two “I’m For 1″ signs supporting the pirates trying to raid our public schools. On the left there is a hand made banner declaring “Impeach Bush And Cheney.” The ‘ch’ from ‘impeach’ and the ‘Ch’ from ‘Cheney’ are artfully shared. […]

]]> by: brian http://www.utahbrian.com/2006/11/13/the-million-dollar-failure-of-pce/#comment-36 Wed, 22 Nov 2006 01:31:18 +0000 http://www.utahbrian.com/2006/11/13/the-million-dollar-failure-of-pce/#comment-36 Thanks, timetostop, both for supporting quality schools in your community and for visiting my weblog which is not always an easy place to be a conservative Republican. You'll see at the top today that the one victory of PCE has been overturned in the final general canvass. That's something to celebrate. Thanks, timetostop, both for supporting quality schools in your community and for visiting my weblog which is not always an easy place to be a conservative Republican.

You’ll see at the top today that the one victory of PCE has been overturned in the final general canvass. That’s something to celebrate.

]]> by: timetostop http://www.utahbrian.com/2006/11/13/the-million-dollar-failure-of-pce/#comment-34 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:51:22 +0000 http://www.utahbrian.com/2006/11/13/the-million-dollar-failure-of-pce/#comment-34 I'm a conservative Republican, but I've never seen anything like PCE and their willingness to do whatever it takes, including whatever deceptive tactic they can muster, to get their agenda across. I see few people who see what's really happening though. Some can't get past liquor laws and the Mormon Church while others see the "sugar coating" and say, "Oh that sounds great." I have called the voucher liberals (my name for them) on some of their statements and don't get any reply in return. One of my questions to them is always involves something like--why should I, as a person who has wanted to raise a child for years and hasn't had that opportunity, have to pay for your child because of your "lack" of choice when you DO have that "choice" to raise a child? I haven't had any takers on that one. I suggested maybe they could send some of their tax exemptions to kids found at Primary Children's Hospital. So far no takers on that either. We need to get a group of people who want REAL education reform, who are committed to making our school system truly better instead of cut and run solutions like the voucher liberals favor. I guess it's not welfare if it supports their political philosophy or when they get the money. To the rest of us who will pay for their subsidizing of a personal choice, it is. We might as well pay for abortions too. I'm not one much for teachers' unions, but I am one fro people who really put their efforts where their mouths are. We need a REAL change in attitude in Utah and more people working together on education, not necessarily heaps of more money, but more people working together. If we had all of our schools become "choice" schools, would not the educational choice be even higher? What can those of us whs support education do? For me, it means starting in my own neighborhood and community. Let's bring down things to a community level and REALLY work to make them stronger. I’m a conservative Republican, but I’ve never seen anything like PCE and their willingness to do whatever it takes, including whatever deceptive tactic they can muster, to get their agenda across.

I see few people who see what’s really happening though. Some can’t get past liquor laws and the Mormon Church while others see the “sugar coating” and say, “Oh that sounds great.” I have called the voucher liberals (my name for them) on some of their statements and don’t get any reply in return.

One of my questions to them is always involves something like–why should I, as a person who has wanted to raise a child for years and hasn’t had that opportunity, have to pay for your child because of your “lack” of choice when you DO have that “choice” to raise a child? I haven’t had any takers on that one. I suggested maybe they could send some of their tax exemptions to kids found at Primary Children’s Hospital. So far no takers on that either.

We need to get a group of people who want REAL education reform, who are committed to making our school system truly better instead of cut and run solutions like the voucher liberals favor. I guess it’s not welfare if it supports their political philosophy or when they get the money. To the rest of us who will pay for their subsidizing of a personal choice, it is. We might as well pay for abortions too.

I’m not one much for teachers’ unions, but I am one fro people who really put their efforts where their mouths are. We need a REAL change in attitude in Utah and more people working together on education, not necessarily heaps of more money, but more people working together. If we had all of our schools become “choice” schools, would not the educational choice be even higher?

What can those of us whs support education do?

For me, it means starting in my own neighborhood and community.

Let’s bring down things to a community level and REALLY work to make them stronger.

]]> by: brian http://www.utahbrian.com/2006/11/13/the-million-dollar-failure-of-pce/#comment-24 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 03:34:41 +0000 http://www.utahbrian.com/2006/11/13/the-million-dollar-failure-of-pce/#comment-24 Thanks for covering some of the State School Board races on your site, Natalie. They are important but I didn't follow them during election season because I was focused on several partisan races and my home district wasn't up this year. Congratulations that your local candidate won. Thanks for covering some of the State School Board races on your site, Natalie. They are important but I didn’t follow them during election season because I was focused on several partisan races and my home district wasn’t up this year.

Congratulations that your local candidate won.

]]> by: Natalie http://www.utahbrian.com/2006/11/13/the-million-dollar-failure-of-pce/#comment-22 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 03:11:57 +0000 http://www.utahbrian.com/2006/11/13/the-million-dollar-failure-of-pce/#comment-22 Brian - This is a great - Thank you for your thorough analysis. Another area where the voucher supporters were very active was in the state school board races. 7 of the 15 seats were up this year, and 5 of the sitting school board members had challengers - all challengers supported vouchers, either publicly or privately. My representative for the board faced a challenger who spent at least $40K of his own money, had unlimited signs, tons of full page newspaper ads, 5 mailings from his campaign in the last week, TV ads, and a mailing from Parents For Choice. Thankfully, the voters saw through it, and the challenger lost 60-40. Unfortunately, two of the incumbents lost. As I see it, Parents For Choice has a goal to get a state school board that will pass a resolution in support of vouchers, will work to eliminate the accountability of charter schools, and will stop working to make our public schools strong. I love that you call then pirates. Good call. Brian - This is a great - Thank you for your thorough analysis. Another area where the voucher supporters were very active was in the state school board races. 7 of the 15 seats were up this year, and 5 of the sitting school board members had challengers - all challengers supported vouchers, either publicly or privately. My representative for the board faced a challenger who spent at least $40K of his own money, had unlimited signs, tons of full page newspaper ads, 5 mailings from his campaign in the last week, TV ads, and a mailing from Parents For Choice. Thankfully, the voters saw through it, and the challenger lost 60-40. Unfortunately, two of the incumbents lost. As I see it, Parents For Choice has a goal to get a state school board that will pass a resolution in support of vouchers, will work to eliminate the accountability of charter schools, and will stop working to make our public schools strong. I love that you call then pirates. Good call.

]]> by: Brian’s Utah Weblog » Blog Archive » Poll Watching With The Pirates Of Parents For Choice http://www.utahbrian.com/2006/11/13/the-million-dollar-failure-of-pce/#comment-21 Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:21:06 +0000 http://www.utahbrian.com/2006/11/13/the-million-dollar-failure-of-pce/#comment-21 [...] Earlier I told the story of the massive million dollar failure of Parents For Choice In Education to bankrupt Utah’s schools at the ballot box.  Today we look at one aspect of the campaign. [...] […] Earlier I told the story of the massive million dollar failure of Parents For Choice In Education to bankrupt Utah’s schools at the ballot box.  Today we look at one aspect of the campaign. […]

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